[om] AMS55 Online // Copyright??

[Stephen J. Schmidt]

If you would like to try running the Berkeley OCR program on this book,
I can provide you with the original 300 dpi scans.

I plan on using one of those commercial OCR programs to get the text out
of the book in order to produce a searchable version of that text.

No, I did not consult a lawyer on this.  I believe that scanned images
of public domain material may be copyrighted, but I could be wrong.  I
do not think that copying a book on a copier would allow you to assert
copyright, but I believe that converting it to some other form like
computer image files or microfilm would allow you to assert copyright.
I am not totally up to date on copyright law.  I believe that recent
decisions have recognized copyright in cases where companies have
assembled collections or databases based on public domain material.  I
will add a page to our Web site that mentions the material itself is in
the public domain and that we assert copyright over the scanned images
only.

Steve Schmidt
ConvertIt.com, Inc.
http://www.convertit.com
mailto:steve at convertit.com
telephone: +1-517-256-1939

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-om at openmath.org [mailto:owner-om at openmath.org] On Behalf Of
Richard Fateman
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 10:36 AM
To: om at openmath.org
Subject: Re: [om] AMS55 Online // Copyright??


OCR programs are typically optimized for 300dpi scans. There are
no commercial programs that can handle mathematics, and the
handful of academic projects (including a recent project here at
Berkeley)
would need some post-editing to produce acceptable TeX, MathML,
etc.  (try a web search for  fateman, berman  or okamoto )

Any recent commercial OCR program would get most of the text out
of your page images, e.g. omnipage, adobe capture, fineweb.

  I don't
know what the legal status is for a copyright of a scanned image
of something in the public domain, and would be curious as to
whether a lawyer advised you on this. If I ran my copy through
a copying machine I presumably couldn't assert copyright.

Thanks for scanning it though.
RJF


Stephen J. Schmidt wrote:

> I am asserting copyright over the scanned images, not over the
material
> itself.  The material itself if public domain I believe, but I would
> like to prevent someone else from taking our page scans and posting
them
> on their Web site.  (If you want to post it on your Web site like we
> have done, as least by a copy of the book and scan it yourself like I
> did.)
> 
> I am definitely going to post a 200dpi version, and I am considering
> posting a 300dpi version.  I am probably also going to scan the
document
> using OCR so that I can post the accompanying text with each page and
> allow the search engines to index that text.  I do not think it will
be
> possible to use OCR to produce a nice HTML-based version of the book
> like the DLMF project is attempting because of all the mathematical
> notation, but if someone knows of a suitable OCR program, I will
> definitely provide them with a copy of the 300dpi scans for them to
try
> it.
> 
> Steve Schmidt
> ConvertIt.com, Inc.
> http://www.convertit.com
> mailto:steve at convertit.com
> telephone: +1-517-256-1939
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-om at openmath.org [mailto:owner-om at openmath.org] On Behalf
Of
> Richard Fateman
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:08 AM
> To: om at openmath.org
> Subject: Re: [om] AMS55 Online // Copyright??
> 
> 
> I noticed that each page now says copyright Convertit, 2002.
> Is this actually meaningful?  Can one assert copyright on
> something that is in the public domain?  Can you copyright just the
> electronic copy of such an object?
> 
> On a more technical note,
> I think the 150 dpi version is ok, but 100dpi might be hard to use.
> 300dpi would be easier to read. An automatic conversion of AMS55
> to a real reusable digital form would be interesting, though NIST's
DLMF
> would presumably supercede all this, someday.
> 
> RJF
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stephen J. Schmidt wrote:
> 
> 
>>I've seen some discussions of AMS55 on this list before, so I thought
>>some of you might be interested to know that I scanned the entire
>>
> AMS55
> 
>>and posted it on my Web site.  Right now, I have the 150dpi version
>>available, but I plan on posting 200dpi and 100dpi versions also, and
>>releasing a 300dpi Adobe Acrobat version.  If you would like to see
>>
> it,
> 
>>you can visit:
>>	http://www.convertit.com/go/convertit/reference/ams55.asp
>>
>>Steve Schmidt
>>ConvertIt.com, Inc.
>>http://www.convertit.com
>>mailto:steve at convertit.com
>>telephone: +1-517-256-1939
>>
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